HDD SATA Diskussion und Grundlagen zur Erkennung rund um Datenträger / "refurbished" / "rezertifiziert" / "neu" usw.

ctrlaltdelete · Donnerstag um 10:08

Wurde der Speicherpool migriert?

maxblank · Donnerstag um 10:09

DaveR schrieb:
Maybe raw48:54 is not correct for my IronWolf drives? But I have no idea what other raw settings to try.

ctrlaltdelete schrieb:
ok, very interesting, but no idea from my side?

Hier die Ausgabe einer Seagate Iron Wolf Pro mit dem Befehl "smartctl -ia -v 1,raw48:54 -v 7,raw48:54 -v 195,raw48:54 /dev/sda" in der DS1621xs+.
Here is the output of a Seagate Iron Wolf Pro with the command “smartctl -ia -v 1,raw48:54 -v 7,raw48:54 -v 195,raw48:54 /dev/sda” in the DS1621xs+.

Code:

 smartctl -ia -v 1,raw48:54 -v 7,raw48:54 -v 195,raw48:54 /dev/sda
smartctl 6.5 (build date Sep 26 2022) [x86_64-linux-4.4.302+] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-16, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Iron Wolf PRO
Device Model:     ST6000NE000-2KR101
Serial Number:    WKD02NQB
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 0cbf65a7f
Firmware Version: EN01
User Capacity:    6,001,175,126,016 bytes [6.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   Unknown(0x0fe0) (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA >3.2 (0x1ff), 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Thu Jan  2 10:03:36 2025 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (  567) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 580) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x50bd) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME                                                   FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  3 Spin_Up_Time                                                     0x0003   087   085   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start/Stop_Count                                                 0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       795
  5 Retired_Sectors_Count                                            0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours                                                   0x0032   095   095   000    Old_age   Always       -       4829
 10 Spin_Retry_Count                                                 0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Drive_Power_Cycle_Count                                          0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       334
 18 Read_Error_Rate_Self-Test                                        0x000b   100   100   050    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrectables                                          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout_Count                                            0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature                                              0x0022   071   047   040    Old_age   Always       -       29 (Min/Max 19/29)
192 Emergency_Retract_Counnt                                         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       51
193 Load/Unload_Count                                                0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       3905
194 Temperature                                                      0x0022   029   053   000    Old_age   Always       -       29 (0 15 0 0 0)
197 Pending-Sparing_Count                                            0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Uncorrectable_Sectors_Count                                      0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 Ultra_DMA_CRC_Error_Count                                        0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
240 Head_Flight_Hours                                                0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       76450417873174
241 Lifetime_Writes_From_Host                                        0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       50122403769
242 Lifetime_Reads_From_host                                         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       162915700421

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4163         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4149         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4138         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4130         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4115         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4070         -
# 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      4050         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4039         -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4027         -
#10  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      4012         -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      4003         -
#12  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3867         -
#13  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3843         -
#14  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3819         -
#15  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3795         -
#16  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3771         -
#17  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3747         -
#18  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3723         -
#19  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3699         -
#20  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3675         -
#21  Short offline       Completed without error       00%      3651         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

maxblank · Donnerstag um 10:10

ctrlaltdelete schrieb:
Wurde der Speicherpool migriert?

Nein, der wurde definitiv neu aufgesetzt.

Ich habe auch bereits die erhöhte Boot-Partition von 7,9 GB.

Code:

Filesystem              Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/md0                7.9G  1.5G  6.3G  20% /
devtmpfs                 16G     0   16G   0% /dev
tmpfs                    16G  244K   16G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs                    16G   26M   16G   1% /run
tmpfs                    16G     0   16G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs                    16G   29M   16G   1% /tmp
/dev/loop0               27M  767K   24M   4% /tmp/SynologyAuthService
/dev/mapper/cryptvol_1  849G   83G  767G  10% /volume1
/dev/mapper/cryptvol_2  1.8T  1.3T  507G  72% /volume2
/dev/mapper/cryptvol_3   11T  3.8T  6.7T  37% /volume3
/dev/mapper/cryptvol_3   11T  3.8T  6.7T  37% /volume3/ActiveBackup/#snapshot
tmpfs                   1.0T     0  1.0T   0% /dev/virtualization

Hier die Ausgabe von "lsblk" der DS1621xs+.

Code:

NAME                            MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE   MOUNTPOINTS
loop0                             7:0    0    32M  0 loop   /tmp/SynologyAuthService
sda                               8:0    0   5.5T  0 disk
├─sda1                            8:1    0     8G  0 part
│ └─md0                           9:0    0     8G  0 raid1  /
├─sda2                            8:2    0     2G  0 part
│ └─md1                           9:1    0     2G  0 raid1  [SWAP]
└─sda3                            8:3    0   5.4T  0 part
  └─md4                           9:4    0  10.9T  0 raid10
    ├─vg3-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:2    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg3-volume_3              249:3    0  10.9T  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_0              249:6    0  10.9T  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_3            249:9    0  10.9T  0 crypt  /volume3/ActiveBackup/#snapshot
                                                            /volume3
sdb                               8:16   0   5.5T  0 disk
├─sdb1                            8:17   0     8G  0 part
│ └─md0                           9:0    0     8G  0 raid1  /
├─sdb2                            8:18   0     2G  0 part
│ └─md1                           9:1    0     2G  0 raid1  [SWAP]
└─sdb3                            8:19   0   5.4T  0 part
  └─md4                           9:4    0  10.9T  0 raid10
    ├─vg3-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:2    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg3-volume_3              249:3    0  10.9T  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_0              249:6    0  10.9T  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_3            249:9    0  10.9T  0 crypt  /volume3/ActiveBackup/#snapshot
                                                            /volume3
sdc                               8:32   0   5.5T  0 disk
├─sdc1                            8:33   0     8G  0 part
│ └─md0                           9:0    0     8G  0 raid1  /
├─sdc2                            8:34   0     2G  0 part
│ └─md1                           9:1    0     2G  0 raid1  [SWAP]
└─sdc3                            8:35   0   5.4T  0 part
  └─md4                           9:4    0  10.9T  0 raid10
    ├─vg3-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:2    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg3-volume_3              249:3    0  10.9T  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_0              249:6    0  10.9T  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_3            249:9    0  10.9T  0 crypt  /volume3/ActiveBackup/#snapshot
                                                            /volume3
sdd                               8:48   0   5.5T  0 disk
├─sdd1                            8:49   0     8G  0 part
│ └─md0                           9:0    0     8G  0 raid1  /
├─sdd2                            8:50   0     2G  0 part
│ └─md1                           9:1    0     2G  0 raid1  [SWAP]
└─sdd3                            8:51   0   5.4T  0 part
  └─md4                           9:4    0  10.9T  0 raid10
    ├─vg3-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:2    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg3-volume_3              249:3    0  10.9T  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_0              249:6    0  10.9T  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_3            249:9    0  10.9T  0 crypt  /volume3/ActiveBackup/#snapshot
                                                            /volume3
sdf                               8:80   0 894.3G  0 disk
├─sdf1                            8:81   0     8G  0 part
│ └─md0                           9:0    0     8G  0 raid1  /
├─sdf2                            8:82   0     2G  0 part
│ └─md1                           9:1    0     2G  0 raid1  [SWAP]
└─sdf3                            8:83   0   884G  0 part
  └─md3                           9:3    0   884G  0 raid1
    ├─vg2-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:4    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg2-volume_1              249:5    0   884G  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_1              249:7    0   884G  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_1            249:10   0   884G  0 crypt  /volume1/@docker/btrfs
                                                            /volume1/@docker
                                                            /volume1
synoboot                        135:240  0   120M  0 disk
├─synoboot1                     135:241  0    16M  0 part
└─synoboot2                     135:242  0   100M  0 part
zram0                           248:0    0   4.7G  0 disk   [SWAP]
zram1                           248:1    0   4.7G  0 disk   [SWAP]
zram2                           248:2    0   4.7G  0 disk   [SWAP]
zram3                           248:3    0   4.7G  0 disk   [SWAP]
nvme1n1                         259:0    0   1.8T  0 disk
├─nvme1n1p1                     259:3    0     8G  0 part
├─nvme1n1p2                     259:5    0     2G  0 part
└─nvme1n1p3                     259:7    0   1.8T  0 part
  └─md2                           9:2    0   1.8T  0 raid1
    ├─vg1-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:0    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg1-volume_2              249:1    0   1.8T  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_2              249:8    0   1.8T  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_2            249:11   0   1.8T  0 crypt  /volume2
nvme0n1                         259:1    0   1.8T  0 disk
├─nvme0n1p1                     259:2    0     8G  0 part
├─nvme0n1p2                     259:4    0     2G  0 part
└─nvme0n1p3                     259:6    0   1.8T  0 part
  └─md2                           9:2    0   1.8T  0 raid1
    ├─vg1-syno_vg_reserved_area 249:0    0    12M  0 lvm
    └─vg1-volume_2              249:1    0   1.8T  0 lvm
      └─cachedev_2              249:8    0   1.8T  0 dm
        └─cryptvol_2            249:11   0   1.8T  0 crypt  /volume2

ctrlaltdelete · Donnerstag um 10:13

ok, dann ist meine Annahme falsch:
https://github.com/007revad/Synology_enable_M2_volume/wiki/Models-that-use-sata1-instead-of-sda

maxblank · Donnerstag um 10:17

Ok, alles klar. Ich frage nur, weil dann oben der Befehl im Startpost angepasst werden muss bzw. es vermerkt wird.

Ich habe euch noch eine Seagate Iron Wolf mit deinem Befahl, angepasst auf "sda", gepostet. Vielleicht hilft es euch bei dem Thema, welches du mit @DaveR hattest.

DaveR · Donnerstag um 10:43

maxblank schrieb:
Ok, da muss ich nochmals gezielter nachfragen. Auf der DS1621xs+ ist es ebenfalls sda usw.
Ab welcher Modellreihe geht es mit sata1 usw. los?

It's not totally dependent on the year the NAS was released. It depends on if the NAS uses device tree or not.

The models that use device tree use sata1, sata2 etc or sas1, sas2 etc and usb1, usb2.
Models that do not use device tree use sda, sdb etc.

In 2019 Synology changed to use a device tree file (named model.dtb) to make it easier for Synology to implement changes to the kernel in future models and DSM updates without having to compile new kernels each time. The only models that use device tree are ones where Synology used that CPU for the first time after 2019.

Models with these CPUs use device tree:

RTD1619B
Geminilake
R1000
V1000
Purley
Broadwelllnkv2
Epyc7002

For a list of NAS models see https://github.com/007revad/Synology_Information_Wiki/blob/main/pages/Models-that-use-DeviceTree.md

maxblank · Donnerstag um 10:59

Thank you for the explanation and the list.
If you still need information from NAS models in my signature that are not yet in the list, I will be happy to assist you. At the moment I am also testing a DS1819+, which is not listed in the signature.

DaveR · Donnerstag um 11:22

Thanks for the offer @maxblank

I can already tell which models use device tree and which models don't. I have unpacked every DSM .pat file for every model for the last 16 DSM versions just to see what's different between models and each DSM version. This shared folder is over 1TB

My personal archive of https://archive.synology.com/download is over 4TB. I started archiving everything when Synology announced they were going to delete all DSM versions older 6.2.4

maxblank · Donnerstag um 11:26

You know where to find me...

ctrlaltdelete · Donnerstag um 11:28

@DaveR i have backed up all files for >DS413j

Stationary · Donnerstag um 13:37

Ich habe mal meine ausgelesen (damit fing es ja an, daß die äußerlich einen gebrauchten Eindruck machten):

Code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     ST12000NM0127
Serial Number:    ZJV5ZZZZ
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000000 0000000a
Firmware Version: G006
User Capacity:    12,000,138,625,024 bytes [12.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Thu Jan  2 13:32:01 2025 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82)    Offline data collection activity
                    was completed without error.
                    Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                    without error or no self-test has ever
                    been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         (  567) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:              (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                    Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                    Suspend Offline collection upon new
                    command.
                    Offline surface scan supported.
                    Self-test supported.
                    Conveyance Self-test supported.
                    Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                    power-saving mode.
                    Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                    General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (1102) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:            (0x50bd)    SCT Status supported.
                    SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                    SCT Feature Control supported.
                    SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME                                                   FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate                                              0x000f   100   064   044    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time                                                     0x0003   097   097   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count                                                 0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       3
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct                                            0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate                                                  0x000f   072   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours                                                   0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       979
 10 Spin_Retry_Count                                                 0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count                                                0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       3
184 End-to-End_Error                                                 0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect                                               0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout                                                  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel                                          0x0022   068   065   040    Old_age   Always       -       32 (Min/Max 31/35)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count                                          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       29
193 Load_Cycle_Count                                                 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       41
194 Temperature_Celsius                                              0x0022   032   040   000    Old_age   Always       -       32 (0 22 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered                                           0x001a   100   004   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector                                           0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable                                            0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count                                             0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate                                            0x0023   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours                                                0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       971 (37 209 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written                                               0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       8806492498
242 Total_LBAs_Read                                                  0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       4897028775

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       423         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

sowie:

Code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     ST12000NM0127
Serial Number:    ZJVZZZZZ
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000000 00000000c
Firmware Version: G006
User Capacity:    12,000,138,625,024 bytes [12.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 5
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Thu Jan  2 13:34:58 2025 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82)    Offline data collection activity
                    was completed without error.
                    Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                    without error or no self-test has ever
                    been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         (  567) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:              (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                    Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                    Suspend Offline collection upon new
                    command.
                    Offline surface scan supported.
                    Self-test supported.
                    Conveyance Self-test supported.
                    Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                    power-saving mode.
                    Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                    General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (1098) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities:            (0x50bd)    SCT Status supported.
                    SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                    SCT Feature Control supported.
                    SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME                                                   FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate                                              0x000f   084   064   044    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time                                                     0x0003   094   094   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count                                                 0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       5
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct                                            0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate                                                  0x000f   071   060   045    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours                                                   0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1003
 10 Spin_Retry_Count                                                 0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count                                                0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       5
184 End-to-End_Error                                                 0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect                                               0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout                                                  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel                                          0x0022   066   062   040    Old_age   Always       -       34 (Min/Max 32/37)
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count                                          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       18
193 Load_Cycle_Count                                                 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       43
194 Temperature_Celsius                                              0x0022   034   040   000    Old_age   Always       -       34 (0 22 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered                                           0x001a   007   004   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector                                           0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable                                            0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count                                             0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate                                            0x0023   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours                                                0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       996 (95 216 0)
241 Total_LBAs_Written                                               0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       8841798407
242 Total_LBAs_Read                                                  0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       8312108904

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%       447         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

Was schließt Ihr daraus? Äußerlich verkratzt, aber dennoch neu?

Frage nebenbei: wenn die tatsächlich mit Helium gefüllt sind, müßten die nicht auch ID#22 für das Helium-Level anzeigen?

maxblank · Donnerstag um 13:47

Wie gesagt, ich werde das nicht abschließend beurteilen können. Allerdings würde ich sagen, falls du die Platten ca. 41 Tage am laufen hast, dass die Wahrscheinlichkeit groß ist, dass die noch nirgends anders gelaufen sind. Bei 447 bzw. 442 Stunden wurde jeweils ein "kleiner" Test der SMART-Werte durchgeführt.
Hast du den angestoßen bzw. automatisiert im NAS?

Die äußeren Spuren am Case können durch vieles Auftreten: Lagerung als Backup im Rechenzentrum oder Firmen, Transport, Lagerung beim Händler, Rückläufer, Verkehrsunfall beim Transport, usw.
Das die mit Baujahren von vor über 5 Jahren aus verschiedenen Gründen außen "benutzt" aussehen, kann man nicht ausschließen.

Danke auf jeden Fall, dass du die Werte gepostet hast.

Stationary · Donnerstag um 13:52

Ein "Quick-Test" läuft am monatlich am 10. drüber. 41 Tage Laufzeit kommt ja auch hin. Würdet Ihr den monatlichen Quick-Test nicht machen?

maxblank · Donnerstag um 13:54

Manche werden anderer Meinung sein, ich lassen den bei produktiven NAS-Systemen auch monatlich laufen und den großen Test für die HDDs als Weihnachtsgeschenk. Kannst du meiner Meinung nach also ruhig beibehalten.

ctrlaltdelete · Donnerstag um 13:58

Sieht für mich sauber aus und laut Datenblatt keine Auskunft zur Füllung:
https://www.seagate.com/content/dam...e-capacity-3-5-v7/_shared/docs/100816426c.pdf
Edit: Für mich ist das einzige Manko das DOM von 2019, aber bei dem Preis bin ich mit 6 Stück ins Risiko gegangen. Warten wir mal die ersten 6 Monate ab, dann wissen wir mehr.
Edit02: Allerdings steht in den meisten Artikel Beschreibungen, dass sie Helium gefüllt sein soll.
Edit03: Hier steht Helium

https://branding.seagate.com/conten...e&language=tw,fr,de,id,it,jp,br,la,th,vn&url=

Stationary · Donnerstag um 17:24

maxblank schrieb:
JB-Computer, die in den Diskussionen im Forum zum Teil als "refurbished" bezeichnet wurden, allerdings vom Händler als neu deklariert wurden.

Hier sollte man vielleicht noch anmerken, daß dieser Händler die gleichen HDDs (Seagate Enterprise 12 TB) auch im Amazon Webshop eingestellt hatte, dort etwa 5% teurer als auf der eigenen Webseite, dafür aber mit der Anmerkung “refurbished“. Zudem bot der Händler auf der eigenen Webseite zeitgleich andere HDDs als refurbished an.

maxblank · Donnerstag um 17:55

Dann sollte man auch erwähnen, dass es im geposteten und von mir hier erwähnten Link immer zu den neuen Platten direkt zu JB-Computer ging. Es wurde sogar explizit von Forenmitgliedern bei deren Support nachgefragt und bestätigt. Über welchen Link hast du deine denn bezogen?

Stationary · Donnerstag um 17:58

Direkt bei JB über den Link. Amazon habe ich erst zwei Tage später gefunden, als die HDDs schon angekommen waren. Da die etwas verkratzt aussahen, hatte ich nochmal gegoogelt und bin auf deren Amazon-Angebot gestoßen.

Stationary · Donnerstag um 17:59

Andere Frage: wie mag das bei WD Red EFRX funktionieren?
Ich bekomme da nur:

Code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Vendor:               WDC
Product:              WD40EFRX-68N32N0
Revision:             82.0
User Capacity:        4,000,787,030,016 bytes [4.00 TB]
Logical block size:   512 bytes
Physical block size:  4096 bytes
LU is fully provisioned
Rotation Rate:        5400 rpm
Form Factor:          3.5 inches
Logical Unit id:      0x50014ee21ffe9139
Serial number:        WD-WCC7K1ZZZ8PE
Device type:          disk
Local Time is:        Thu Jan  2 17:56:20 2025 CET
SMART support is:     Unavailable - device lacks SMART capability.

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
Current Drive Temperature:     0 C
Drive Trip Temperature:        0 C

Error Counter logging not supported


[GLTSD (Global Logging Target Save Disable) set. Enable Save with '-S on']
Device does not support Self Test logging

maxblank · Donnerstag um 18:24

Das hatte ich vorne auf Seite 1 bereits angemerkt, dass es scheinbar Datenträger-Hersteller gibt, bei denen das Logging dieser SMART-Test nicht unterstützt wird bzw. abgeschaltet werden kann.

Da wird es leider mit dieser Variante hier schwierig. Es müsste mit GSmartControl mal noch quergeprüft werden, ob das dort ausgelesen werden kann.